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Know Your Ship: A continuation of Learning to Fly and K.I.S.S.   [ Edited ]
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Alright so I keep saying "know your ship", but what exactly does that entail?
Knowing her handling, her 'quirks', her limits... all of these things are heavily dependant on equipment.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation out there, and plenty of uninformed people who simply can't FIND the info they're looking for.
So then, I decided to write up a "breakdown" on the equipment, what it does, and what the stats mean.
 
Universal:
 
Armor:
This is damage the item can take before damage to it starts on "Hitpoints".  Generally, incoming damage that passes through the shields and armor is evenly dispersed among your components, and the lowest Armor parts are affected first.
Higher is better.
 
HitPoints:
After armor of an item is gone, Hitpoints start next.  These are dealt 100% damage, and your item will reduce performance in direct relationship to the amount of Hitpoints it has.  If it had 100 and got hit for 50, it will work at 50% capability.  At 0, the item is completely disabled.
Higher is better.
 
Reactor Energy Drain:
The amount of power the item draws from the Reactor.
While 1200 may not seem much more than 1100, with 8 items drawing power that adds up quick.
Lower is better.
 
Mass:
The mass of the object (assume in kilograms).
Lighter is better.
 
Now, on to Item Specific:
 
Reactor:
Powerplant.
While "more power" may be better in theory, it is best to find a power level that is *just* over what you need.  By keeping power to "adequate" instead of "exceptional" you can balance out your ship more easily by freeing up a little mass here.
Crafted reactors are generally better than looted / Reverse Engineered, though there are a few exceptional reactors with low mass and high energy output.
 
Engine:
This is not just your speed...  your engine controls (almost) all aspects of your ship's behavior.
Turning, rolling, speed... everything you do that involves motion.
Pitch, Yaw, and Roll!
These statistics are a vital part of your ship!
Pitch is your up and down speed limit.  Yaw is your side-to-side speed limit. Faster is better!  From the other posts, and your experience so far, you should realise how important turning quickly is.
Max Speed is quite self-explanatory.
These statistics will be modified in many chassis, but regardless you'll need them as high as you can get them at any certification level.
At the time of this posting, Crafted engines are garbage, and *most* Odd# Certification level loot engines are also useless.
 
Shield:
First Line of Defense!
A rather important piece of equipment, your shield is what keeps you from exploding after a single hit.
The stats on a shield to look for are Front hitpoints and Rear hitpoints, as well as recharge rate.
Something to note: regardless of crafted or looted, different F/R (front and rear) numbers will equalize once fitted and launched to space.  This was done to circumvent a bug/exploit which allowed people to create shields much stronger than they should be.
So when shield-shopping, add the two stats and divide by two.... that will be your f/r protection.
Recharge Rate:
Anything that says "Rate" is Units Per Second.
In the case of shields, that's XX Units per Second PER SIDE.  If you have access to reinforcement programs, and you have 100% rear shields but 20% front remaining, it would behoove you to even them out.  You will recharge them in half the time.
Higher is obviously better for all 3 of these statistics.
At the time of posting, Crafted Shields (done properly) are better than Straight-Looted shields, but not normally better than Reverse Engineered shields, and definitely not as good as the Reward Shields.
 
Armor:
Well, all the statistics for armor are in the universal, so suffice it to say that *most* Looted or Reverse Engineered shields cannot measure up to Crafted.  The advantage to crafted is that it can be custom made to almost any specific mass limitation and still offer better protection than most looted/RE'd... and can be duplicated over and over.  Overall a well-balanced item between loot and crafted.
 
Capacitor:
The HEART of your weapons, pilots.
Without a cap you can't even fire a spitball, so you need to pay attention to this piece of equipment.
Recharge Rate, as with shields, is Units Per Second.  Higher is better... much better.
If you are using a single weapon with .33 refire rate, and 25 energy drain, then you are taking 75 units of energy from your capacitor every second.  With a recharge at 25.... you're depleting your cap twice as fast as you are refilling it.
Capacitor Energy is how much total energy is stored for use by the weapons.  Having as much as possible is also desireable, but rather secondary to Recharge Rate.
A cap with 25 recharge and 1000 energy won't do you much good in an extended fight (escort missions anyone?) where you're firing nearly constantly; but a 40 recharge on a 700 energy will allow you to fire again with only short pauses between targets.
At the time of posting, decent Recharge and  Capacity can be had from Reverse Engineering any Even # Certification Level Loot Drop capacitors.  Crafted Capacitors are completely useless.
Also at the time of posting the program "Weapons Overload 3" is bugged and behaves as BOTH the damage enhancement it is supposed to perform, and Weapon Tuning 3, which reduces Reactor Energy Drain and Energy Per Shot.
 
Booster:
Now here's a fairly complex piece of equipment to do a fairly simple set of chores.
What's important on a booster is dependant on the pilot and the situation, so I'll try to address the roles a booster *should* play, and the properties that you need to fill them.
Role 1:
Speed up your ship for intercept.
Getting targets down as quickly as possible is important many times, especially in certain missions.  That means getting from the target you just destroyed or disabled to the next one as fast as you can.  For this, "Burn Time" is probably most important, with "Booster Speed" being the next most important statistic.  I'll explain where to get "Burn Time" from momentarily.
Role 2:
Escaping The Enemy.
Sometimes it gets too hot, and you need breathing room.  While in theory boosters should get you up to speed and out of range in no time, the fact is that it's rarely the case. Enemies fighters giving chase WILL catch you.
This is viable however against larger, slow-moving enemies, such as those pesky Shuttles, YT's, and most gunboats.
In a case like this, you definitely want Speed as your primary attribute, and Recharge Rate as the secondary.  What good is a 35 speed enhancement if it takes 2 minutes before you can get decent burn again?
Role 3:
Accelerating to Attack Speed.
By far the best use for a booster, it can be used to counter inertia and boost your acceleration out of a turn to unreasonable rates.
Getting turned around and behind an enemy is all fine and dandy, but if he puts 450 meters between you before you can get up to speed, you just wasted your talent.  In this case, Acceleration is the most important statistic, with speed second... recharge rate is almost irrelevant, since you should only be boosting 2-3 seconds at a time, at most.
So how do you determine what stat combination you need?
Burn Time is a combination of Booster Energy, Booster Energy Consumption Rate, and Booster Recharge Rate.
More energy means more burn time; lower rate of consumption means more still, and higher recharge means yet more on top of that.
Remember that "rate" is units per second - consumption is "how fast does it eat the stored energy".
Acceleration is the only player-controlled acceleration factor in the game.  All engine acceleration is dictated by the chassis at this time, so if you want to make that beast boat of yours get up to speed quickly, you will need a very high acceleration.  Your ship will go from "zero to sixty" in no time flat.
Maximum Boost Speed is the unit you will increase your speed under boost; it's a straight addition to your current max velocity, and not affected by any overloads.  So a 55 speed engine in a 1.0 chassis with a 25 speed booster will go 800 in space under boost, with no overloads running.
At the time of this posting:
To cover "all the bases", Reverse Engineered boosters are the way to go.  HOWEVER, they are guaranteed to have higher mass than a crafted booster, and probably more Reactor Energy Use.
Crafted Boosters, when made with proper resources, can be custom tailored to fit any of the roles above, at lower mass and energy drain, and will perform more than adequately.  Boosters simply "made" and thrown on a vendor probably won't fill your needs.  For this part I suggest talking to a master ShipWright and getting it custom made.  This item is probably the best-balanced crafted item in the game.
 
Droid Interface:
So much confusion!
The only unique statistic is Droid Speed.
LOWER IS BETTER!
Droid Speed (except for bugged programs) is the time it takes to get ready for the next program times the program level.
That means running Shield Reinforcement Front To Rear 1 on a droid interface with 30 speed, can be hit every 30 seconds.
Using the same program but at level 2 on that same DI will mean once a minute.
You can see where this can be a vital part of your ship.
And if you are not using a droid interface and flight computer or droid.... start.  It's a tree all by itself in the Pilot Skills... that should tell you how important it really is.
At the time of posting, crafted DI's are not as good as Looted / Reverse Engineered.
 
Weapon:
Now things are much simpler with weapons than some folks think, but certainly more complex than others realise.
There are 6 statistics on a weapon that are extremely important.
Minimum Damage & Maximum Damage (simply listed as Damage: xxx - yyy)
Vs. Shields
Vs. Armor
Energy/Shot
Refire Rate
Now, just like the ground game, damage range is extremely important.  Minimum damage is a stat all by itself, and so is max... keeping those numbers high is important for obvious reasons; closing the gap will let you hit more consistantly.
Vs. Shields and Vs. Armor:
These numbers are a flat-out percent damage of your hit that is dealt to either.
So, a typical crafted having .48 to .50 means it's doing 48-50% of the damage per hit... not much at all.
Getting these numbers as high as possible means dealing the most damage.  Better to take a lower damage gun with 70% damage than a higher with only 48%.
In the case of multiple weapons, some people feel that going with manufactured ION and Disruptor combinations is the way to go... I'm going to tell you that is flat-out false.  Do the math... take a looted ION and Disruptor and drop them in the same RE job, and get a gun that does 65-80% damage on both statistics... with 2 guns, you're doing double what the ION/Disruptor pilot is doing.
Energy / shot: lower is better.  This is how much energy it sucks out of your capacitor for every single shot you make.  With multiple weapons you can be looking at some serious drain to capacitor here.  Review Capacitor ^.
Refire Rate:  How many seconds it takes to refire.  0.33 is three times a second.  Damage Over Time, faster is better.  Provided you're hitting your target
When using multiple weapons you will probably also want to try to match these as closely as possible, to give those first few hits serious import.
At the time of this posting, Reverse Engineered weapons are the only weapons that will give you serious offensive power.  Some Looted weapons have good damage stats, but I've yet to see a looted weapon that will, standalone, cover "all the bases" as it were.  And trust me, I've seen a LOT of loot....
Crafted weapons are used by many pilots and they believe them adequate... until you've used good RE'd guns, you're selling yourself short.
 
Missiles:
Ooohhh the sound of missiles is daunting isn't it?
The truth is though that missiles are completely un-necessary.  If you can tail a target long enough to get a lock, you should have been able to make that pilot suck void already.
HOWEVER
They do have their uses.
There are 5 kinds of missiles of different grades - and each has it's purpose.
Proton:
By far the most commonly used, yet probably the least useful of all missiles.
These do poor-to-mediocre damage (damage stats & mods are defined the same as for blasters), but are split equally between shields and armor, so they can be used against "anything".  While useful in theory, the damage does not justify the cost.  In the time it takes to lock and fire, then to do so little damage, you've only added one or 2 blaster hits to what you've dealt the enemy, for all intents and purposes.
Seismic:
These missiles are specifically designed to penetrate armor and/or reduce a chassis to spacedust.  Excellent choice of missiles simply because you should be firing while you aquire lock, thereby reducing shields... once shields hit 50% hit with a seismic for decent damage, possibly even the killshot.
Concussion:
Also a useful missile, especially in ships with more than one launcherslot, and against larger targets.  Missile range is *slightly* higher than gun range, and you can sit behind a large target that is on a static course, and fire off con's to take out shields with little-to-no risk to your ship.  These are also excellent for taking out subcomponents.
Image-Rec:
This is a PvP-intended version of the Proton.
This missile is less likely to be deterred by a countermeasure, but the damage is poor enough that it's not really viable, even if you did manage to get a lock.  I've never been asked to make any, and have never actually tested them. The stats speak for themselves...
SpaceBomb:
There are 2 levels of Spacebomb, one and two, and they are by far the "best" missile in the game.
Excellent damage to both shields and armor, at level 2 they can easily be made to guarantee 1-hit kills to any fighter-class NPC.
The downsides... they're very expensive (to make), and you typically get 3 or 4 in a pack.  However, an excellent use for missiles just the same - emergency damage-dealer when you're in over your head, to bring the odds into your favor.
The only different statistic on a missile that you should pay attention to is "Refire Rate".
This is both how long between launches from a single launcher, and how long it will take you to lock on to a steady target.
Lower is better.
 
Counter Measures:
Here it's fairly self explanatory.
You can see from looking at them how likely they are to stop an incoming missile, in flat % chance.  The higher the numbers, the better... but be warned.  Better CM's means a heavier launcher, and you may not want to sacrifice that mass for it... or carry them at all, for that matter.
Excellent piloting and situational awareness can make sure your enemies never get lock on you in the first place.  In the rare instance they do, normally a single missile hit will not take out more than 1/3 of your shield on the side taking the hit.
However, you should note that very very rarely is it possible to out-fly a missile... as a matter of fact the only time a missile misses in JtL is if it hits something else.  Those pilots who think they've out-maneuvered one are mistaken - the missile impacted somewhere - probably another enemy vessel or an asteroid, or space debris... but something just the same.
 

 
That about sums it up for the equipment.
Putting it all together in the best balance is something you will need to work out for yourself, depending on your flying style, skill, ship, and what you find most important or effective.
 
Feel free to ask any questions if I missed something or was unclear.
 
And just so you all know...
I'm a 2x Ace pilot and a Master Shipwright.   So I'm not trying to trash any MSW out there when I say certain things are crap.  It's just a fact, and an imbalance in the game as setup by the devs.

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Very excellent post.

You bring up a lot of points that I shared with my squadron members.

5 stars for you.

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Very helpful.
 
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1st_Viduus wrote:
 
Armor:
This is damage the item can take before damage to it starts on "Hitpoints".  Generally, incoming damage that passes through the shields and armor is evenly dispersed among your components, and the lowest Armor parts are affected first.
Higher is better.
 



The highlight part isn't exactly accurate...
 
The way damage works is the incoming shot hits shields, vs shield multiplier is applied, then subtracted from the total damage of the shot. Any remaining damage is then applied to the ships armor, with the vs armor multiple applied, and that damage is subtracted from the shots damage. Next a component is selected at random. Only one component per shot. Damage is then applied to the armor and HP if the armor is reduced to 0, of that component. I believe that components use the vs armor multiplier, anyone know for sure? I need to test this later... Anyway, if the component HP is reduced to 0 then the remainder of the damage is applied to chassis. Note that even once a component is disabled, it is still counted toward the random choosing of the component to hit. If a disabled component is selected to be hit, the full remainder of the damage is applied to the chassis. Not sure how it works in cases where two shots are fired simultaniously. I believe it's just 2 rolls, if the first one takes out shields and armor and does some damage to one component, the next shot will pick another component and do damage to that and possibly chassis. Lowest armor components are no more likely to be hit than high armor components. The reason low armor components seem to be affected is because you don't really notice when your high armor reactor and engine take armor damage, because you're not affected. However when that pre-fix L1 DI with <15 speed and 10 armor/HP gets tapped, well it's gone in one hit so statistically speaking it does get disabled more often, but it's not really getting hit more often (next time your DI gets taken out, hit V and bring up your ship screen, look at your other components, they've likely taken a bit more damage than your DI is capable of taking).
 
Anyway, if components use vs armor and not vs shields, I'd also think concusion missles would be better vs components than seismics...
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Hmm could be.
I've taken one or two hits past armor before (pesky 'vettes & gunboats!) as I was getting out of range and V indicated that all my components suffered similar damage (except overloaded parts, which had a hair more).
However, I did say I was generalizing - I don't want to get into the exact mechanics of the game, but simply to give a fair understanding of each statistic on a part to those who don't yet know.
That being said, I've also been specifically disabled (reactor or engine) by NPC's in Deep Space on multiple occasions...

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You had 0 reactor/engine and 100% to all other components? I've definitely never seen that...
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Yes, once in a blue moon (when I'm sloppy) a wave of B and A wings will take out either my Reactor or Engine specifically.
Other components will have taken damage, but nowhere near what either of those two will have taken.

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Sounds like random distribution to me seriously tho, B-wings can hit pretty hard, if the engine has taken a bit of damage its possible for a "lucky" hit to knock out the rest, or 2 lucky hits in a row. Not saying I've never been disabled, but I've never been disabled in any way that seems "intentional" on the part of the AI
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Image Rec missiles are quite useful in PVP. These days I never go up without installing a fresh pack, and by the time our server's regular battles are through, I'm always out. Lower damage, sure, but at least they tend to hit what they're fired at.





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Thanks Tomo, good to know.
As I said, I never tested them, and haven't been asked to build them, so couldn't get a report from a reliable source.

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Yeah, and I can see why.. a good set of Mk IIs might be something like 2200-5800 damage, with 5 to a pack. I didn't even consider them until a) I realized I could chaff every normal missile shot at me, so my concussions/protons probably weren't doing a damn bit of good in PVP, and b) I noticed a couple of Starsider's top PVPers used them exclusively. Gave them a test run a couple weeks ago and liked the results so much they're now a permanent fixture of my Interceptor.





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Again, another superb guide by Viduus. Keep up the good work!

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Random thoughts:

1.) on engine YPR. effects your ablity to turn.
Turns consist of two things:

Turn rate (dictated by chassis)
Turn Radius (the YPR value on your engine)

Both are listed on your component screen in flight. 5 points of YPR on an engine seems to translate into 0.1 YPR in flight. in general strive to get a 1.2 rating on your turn radius, this requirese a 60-62+ YPR engine. 1.3 rating requires an engine thats 70-74 YPR. 1.2 is prime, 1.3 is gravy but is sometimes overkill.

Both turn rate and radius effect your cornering speed.
That is where you have the tightest turn circle at the fastest velocity possible to achieve the tightest turn circle.

overall, strive to get a Low mass L6 engine. Save your reward engine at teir 3, and every L6 engine you EVER loot. Never sell them for any reason. RE your reward engine right and you'll have a 70 YPR, 85 speed, 9K mass engine.

2.) armor
For most starships, id use MKII armor. made right, its about 600 armor at 2200-2400 mass. If you repair it more than twice, toss it and get a new one. See a SW with them in stock? Stock up. For master level fighters or high mass fighters, id use MKIII, its about 1000-1100 armor at low mass.

3.) reactor:
You dont have to use a 12K - 14K output reactor. If all you need is a 9K output L1 reactor, use it and save the mass.

4.) weapons. ALways use looted or RE'd 6/6 mod blasters when possible. If you use player made, get max damage blasters. The ion/disrupter setup? It's just pretty, but it doesnt work any better (or not that much better) than just using 2 blasters.

5. Capacitors
L2 looted are acutally really good for mass savings and have surpisingly high stats given its level. RE a couple of them. The best caps are RE'd, strive to go as low tech level with as high stats as possible. I wouldn't use anything higher than an L6 in high mass ships and an L4 in low mass ships, with a preference for an L2. In an MP ship, go crazy and use an L10.

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1st_Viduus wrote:
 
Engine:
You should know though that an engine with PYR speeds closer to the Max and max only mediocre is much more desireable than an engine with great speed and mediocre PYR.



What do the PYR numbers represent?  Is it the optimum speed at which your ship will PYR?
 
Like, if my max speed is 79, and my yaw speed is 62, does that mean I should slow down to 62 when I make my turn?  And how do I convert speed 79, 62, etc into the 760 max speed my ship really has?
 
While I'm asking, the FAQ on the different ships, lists the attributes of each ship, speed, pitch, yaw, roll, etc.  How do those numbers interact with engine numbers?
 
Thanks again!
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Chaetango wrote:

PS Viduus for Pilot correspondent ! =)


He is never far from my post tracking.......
 
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