Coming Changes to BH/Jedi

[Azkar]

I am not sure if you did not read the whole post or misunderstanding it.

• The very beginning of the post mentions the removal/change of the anti-visibility policies.
• The end of the post says we are making so Jedi AFKing on Houses will not list on the terminals, so Bounty Hunters do not waste time hunting targets AFK in a house. They can log out and bleed visibility, they stay online in houses to troll Bounty Hunters.
• Jedi was not changed as it comes to group content? I am not sure where you have pulled that one from. They will still receive visibility from EVERY player and NPC that is not in their group.

No I read the post pretty clearly...

-The very beginning of the post mentions the removal/change of the anti-visibility policies.
It states "We are going to remove and/or revise this policy". I am curious to see what it gets revised to. Since it could still benefit the Jedi heavily.

-The end of the post says we are making so Jedi AFKing on Houses will not list on the terminals, so Bounty Hunters do not waste time hunting targets AFK in a house. They can log out and bleed visibility, they stay online in houses to troll Bounty Hunters.
"So we are going to look to implement a method" to me this reads as "They will troll you until this gets implemented, which we do not know how long it will take to do so." I have no issues with the 2nd part, you are all volunteers and things take time. However if the fix for the afk doesn't go in at the same time as everything else, then it just is more time that Jedi troll BHs with the benefit of we can't even ignore the ones that we know are purposely trolls.

-Jedi was not changed as it comes to group content? I am not sure where you have pulled that one from. They will still receive visibility from EVERY player and NPC that is not in their group.
It states "With this change Jedi will not gain visibility from players that they are grouped with. However, they are still open to gain visibility from all other players and NPC's." So now it is just going to be full jedi groups doing end game content. I mean just being in a large party that isn't giving them Vis is just making them hone in on end game group content as the "correct" class to be. Sure they will get it from a NPC, but how much vis does a krayt dragon give? Or any number of other end game creatures.

[Lolindir]

No I read the post pretty clearly...

-The very beginning of the post mentions the removal/change of the anti-visibility policies.
It states "We are going to remove and/or revise this policy". I am curious to see what it gets revised to. Since it could still benefit the Jedi heavily.

The phising rule will be removed, completely when this is merged to Finalizer.

-The end of the post says we are making so Jedi AFKing on Houses will not list on the terminals, so Bounty Hunters do not waste time hunting targets AFK in a house. They can log out and bleed visibility, they stay online in houses to troll Bounty Hunters.
"So we are going to look to implement a method" to me this reads as "They will troll you until this gets implemented, which we do not know how long it will take to do so." I have no issues with the 2nd part, you are all volunteers and things take time. However if the fix for the afk doesn't go in at the same time as everything else, then it just is more time that Jedi troll BHs with the benefit of we can't even ignore the ones that we know are purposely trolls.

The change have not been pushed to Finalizer yet. We are not done.

-Jedi was not changed as it comes to group content? I am not sure where you have pulled that one from. They will still receive visibility from EVERY player and NPC that is not in their group.
It states "With this change Jedi will not gain visibility from players that they are grouped with. However, they are still open to gain visibility from all other players and NPC's." So now it is just going to be full jedi groups doing end game content. I mean just being in a large party that isn't giving them Vis is just making them hone in on end game group content as the "correct" class to be. Sure they will get it from a NPC, but how much vis does a krayt dragon give? Or any number of other end game creatures.

As stated on top, this is a two way door change. If it don't work as we wish, we can revert it. With that said, if they are in a group like you say, they will still get on the terminals, or do you expect them to not have others around wanting the same content? You will get 20 new marks if they have a full group and they take the mobs away from 4-5 other players. I bet one is enough with the time and amount of specials they will use.

[Azkar]

The phising rule will be removed, completely when this is merged to Finalizer.

The change have not been pushed to Finalizer yet. We are not done.

As stated on top, this is a two way door change. If it don't work as we wish, we can revert it. With that said, if they are in a group like you say, they will still get on the terminals, or do you expect them to not have others around wanting the same content? You will get 20 new marks if they have a full group and they take the mobs away from 4-5 other players. I bet one is enough with the time and amount of specials they will use.

I expect them to all be in a group, doing end game content holding that area. At least on finalizer, there is a reason so little Jedi are on the terms right now anyways. The ones that are, the majority purposely are (as seen by them trolling or being fully templated, etc). Unless I am just wrong and Jedi are dying hand over first by the tons of BHs (but the BHs forums seem to indicate otherwise).
I do appreciate the clarification though of "The phising rule will be removed, completely when this is merged to Finalizer.".

So your first point, you are irritated over speculation of something that has not happened yet. The not clearly states This has given Jedi an unbalanced amount of protection when it comes to their visibility.


The second point, I do not know how long it will take but should be fairly simple. These are all simple changes or we would have not touched them at all. None of which are even live yet.


Third point, without mathing it all out for you. Visibility will stack up really quickly if they are attacking a target and other players are around and last I knew the Krayt Graveyard has had various groups of players out there. Even if they stop attacking they will just die, cause healing and force run also give visibility.

-you are irritated over speculation of something that has not happened yet.
I mean ya. I am irritated at these proposed changes and they haven't happened yet. I just know they are bad for the game. It doesn't require them to have been implemented for me to know this. As such, I have skepticism on other "potential changes" as well.

-The second point, I do not know how long it will take but should be fairly simple. These are all simple changes or we would have not touched them at all. None of which are even live yet.
Correct. I even mentioned I don't fault any of the devs for however long it takes. I know full well how long it takes to make changes like these, test them, push them through all the env, QA to sign off on it, etc. We are all giving feedback on proposed changes, which even though haven't gone live, are still planned to.

-"Third point, ....."
You keep saying "other players are around." Why? They will just be invited into the group / not all end game content has tons of players just waiting around. The excuse of "other players " will give them vis... I don't think will plan out like how you expect. We have seen that *some* Jedi try to get around any rules / mechanics in this game. I don't think this will be different.


So let me also ask this: Why are these changes happening the way that they are? What is the philosophy behind them?

[avimeso]

The phising rule will be removed, completely when this is merged to Finalizer.

The change have not been pushed to Finalizer yet. We are not done.

As stated on top, this is a two way door change. If it don't work as we wish, we can revert it. With that said, if they are in a group like you say, they will still get on the terminals, or do you expect them to not have others around wanting the same content? You will get 20 new marks if they have a full group and they take the mobs away from 4-5 other players. I bet one is enough with the time and amount of specials they will use.

If its a simple toggle i think you guys should push it next week and see how it goes? Give it a trial perioid. like i said in first reply seems fine to me. Let those people test it. think honestly its just people over reacting.

when the seeker returns from searching for jedi on the planet will it notify the bh the exact credits received for kill or just name? will the mission update in datapad or just via system message?